when it comes to al-qaeda, core leadership in pakistan, we have made the kind of strides that we need to make to be in a position of thinking we can win. speaking of vang wishing shadowy enemies. >> isn't that the metaphor for what we are talking about. terror is a shadow and we are a big, adorable dog chasing a shadow? that made no sense at all. moynihan, time for a parade? >> really? time for a parade? like we defeated al-qaeda parade with blimps and balloons and things? you have actually a bad track record with things. >> it is not over you think? >> i don't know. i was going to say something bad about the cia, but he is right there. >> i just don't put a lot of stock in them. >> thanks for turning off your phone. >> calling the cia. >> what is the evidence of this beyond the bin laden killing. i was going to make some jokes, but i feel bad talking about al-qaeda. >> do you still worry about terror attacks? i do and i always will. >> absolutely. we cutoff the head of the snake. and i think it is a great symbolic blow, but we all know we are not out of the water yet. al-qaeda is not